Loosing livestock

Yeah Shaun has the healthiest and most reasonably priced stuff in Fargo... I have only lost one thing within a few days from that store other than the stuff my damsel killed...

Do you still have damsels?

Try the RODI... Shaun will sell 5 gallon buckets of the RODI water, just bring in a bucket. I did that when I filled my tank at the new place as I just couldn't make enough water fast enough.

Great pets and K9 suck i would never give them a dollar ! Shaun is the only guy in fargo i would go to ! Although he does use copper at moment in his fish system ! I am a firm believer in stores running Microb-lift herbtana in their tanks as fish are way less stressed! And it is reef safe! I recommended hertana to him so who knows He may run it soon to ! But he always has a good selection and keeps prices down ! As far as acclimation of new things I just float bag for a while to get up to temp empty water from bag as may contain copper or other undesirables. Then i add whatever to my tank I do this with everything and never have a problem ! In my opinion drip is only necessary if they have been in shipping for 24 hours ! but that's just me we all do things different whatever works 4 you ! I really dont ever have any issues with livestock not liking my proceed-ore I have even fallowed that method for things i have gotten shipped in with no problems !

U could Quarintine but since herbtana hit market i dont worry about it as i can treat my whole tank and not worry about hurting corals and i actually get results ! Ha I sound like a spokes person LOL! It is some good stuff though !

Hey Shane: who is Herb Tana? haha, going to the google now.

What is the copper based stuff that he uses?

I don't not have the damels anymore. I have not had the best of luck with the livestock from there, but it maybe something I am doing. I had a fish only tank set up for three years a couple years back and had no issues at all.

I don't remember for sure what copper based treatment her uses in the tanks. I would be a bit worried about the Microb-lift herbtana as there are many "miracle cures" that are said to be reef safe that have been the direct cause of a tank crash... This is the first time I have heard about this product so it must be fairly new. Does the bottle have the active ingredient? Does it smel like Garlic?

Reefer, you are having odd issues for sure. Hopefully some of the suggestions can help determine the issue.

OrangeBB, that will work fine for the fish in a store system where the parameters are close to your tank's parameters. Unfortunately you don't always know the store's numbers so it is safer to drip to prevent the shock caused by rapid changes in salinity. Not saying it won't work, but if the store runs their tank much lower you'll end up with issues. Shaun's are usualy at 1.020 - 1.024 if I remember correctly. DeathCo runs theirs at 1.018 or lower...

cdness wrote:I don't remember for sure what copper based treatment her uses in the tanks. I would be a bit worried about the Microb-lift herbtana as there are many "miracle cures" that are said to be reef safe that have been the direct cause of a tank crash... This is the first time I have heard about this product so it must be fairly new. Does the bottle have the active ingredient? Does it smel like Garlic?

Reefer, you are having odd issues for sure. Hopefully some of the suggestions can help determine the issue.

OrangeBB, that will work fine for the fish in a store system where the parameters are close to your tank's parameters. Unfortunately you don't always know the store's numbers so it is safer to drip to prevent the shock caused by rapid changes in salinity. Not saying it won't work, but if the store runs their tank much lower you'll end up with issues. Shaun's are usualy at 1.020 - 1.024 if I remember correctly. DeathCo runs theirs at 1.018 or lower...

I am speaking from first hand experience with herbtana it boosts fishs immune system instead of killing ich as if ick has no host it will die off any way at least to eceptable levels as ick is always present in tanks ! It is if fish are healthy enough to fight it off !u dont have to try herbtana if u dont want to but I use it when indroducing new fish and back it up 100% I have many speciesof coral in my tank and nothing cares when i am using herbtana sps and others grow while using it so obviously they dont mind it! read up on it good product with superb resullts fish stores dont really want u to know about it as they wouldn't have as much biss ! No Garlic smell more like ucaliptis ! It has been on market for about 3 to 4 years i just heard about it a year ago when i started my tank back up I have used as suggested on container directions 5 times now when I have added new fish and 1 bad ick outbreak ! Just figured every one Knew about it guess not well take it for what its worth I like it ! I have also fallowed my float and drop method for 6 years with minimul probs but maybe im wierd LOL who knows ! But as i said we all do things different ! Oh and also as i said i used that method for many orders of inverts and fish were i had no clue of there salinity !

"MICROBE-LIFT/Herbtana
is a unique, herbal,
immune-enhancing stimulant, which reduces: skin flukes
(gyrodactylus), gill flukes (Dactylogyrus), Ich
(ichthyophthirius multifillis), oodinum, costia (ichthyobodo
necater), chilonella and trichodina. Parasite infections are
characterized by symptoms, such as: milky skin, flashing
and heavy breathing. However, they can only be diagnosed
with certainty through microscopic examination.
Naturaly controlled by the fish’s immune system, parasites
are present on most fish in very low levels at all times. When
stress levels increase, the ability of the immune system to
respond to its requirement to control the natural level of
parasites is directly affected. This poor response allows
parasites to increase in number, thus causing any of the
serious, above mentioned health issues in the host fish.
MICROBE-LIFT/Herbtana supports the fish’s immune
system, driving off the excess parasites. Since they cannot
return to the fish during that treatment, the majority of the
parasites will starve without a host. So, although MICROBELIFT/
Herbtana does not directly kill parasites, it is
ultimately responsible for their death."

P.s. Shaun has a nice Blue angel 4 sale !!!

LOL he likes coral though !

I called the water company and this is what he gave me for numbers:
chlorine .6 to 1ppm
Calcium hardness 100
total hardness 180-200
total alkalinity 66.9 ppm
the PH is 8.6
mag 80-100
copper is .022
lead is 2

Does anybody know what metals aren't good for salt water fish or corals and at what levels they are?

copper and lead are bad and chlorine no good either U need to use RO/di water it should solve your probs or at least help out some !